• The 7 Most Flagrant Examples of Bad Pickup Jargon

    by AlphaWolf & Co.
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    Guest post by David BlackYou’ve most likely experienced some examples of jargon out there in the ‘how to get a girl‘ realm. Sometimes it can seem that some dudes try to come up with the most amazing sounding terms just for the hell of it. Don’t get me wrong, jargon has it’s place, but sometimes they fly in the face of simple, understandable principles, and just compound confusion. This is one of my pet peeves.Let’s have a look at what I think are the top 7 worst culprits:

    7. pAImAI – Quick Defintion: pAImAI is short for “pre-Approach Invitation male Approach Inviation”. Basically, it takes the concept of AI and reverses it to work to the man’s advantage.

    This term is totally ridiculous to say or write which is why it’s on the list. However, the concept can be very useful. You are trying to get a girl to initiate IOI’s that give you a clear indication that a girl likes you. If you get an AI (Approach Invitaion) then you know it’s on like Donkey Kong, because you know know she wants you to approach her and talk to her. So it can be useful but the term is just ridiculous. Sounds more like a Chinese takeaway dinner than a useful technique.

    6. Hot Babe (HB) – Quick Definition: A beautiful woman, or any woman, rated on a scale of beauty from 1-10. Can also stand for “Hunny Bunny”.

    The hot babe scale rubs me the wrong way sometimes. Guess what? Every guy has a different opinion of which girls are hot, and which are not. One guy might think blondes are the hottest women in town whereas others thinks Emo girls are where it’s at. Also it can be an ego thing, to brag about how hot the girls are you approached. Who really cares? This has no place when trying to meet women. I say leave your ego at the door and just go out and have a good time with women. If someone thinks the girl you are with is not that attractive then f*ck em. If you like the girl then that’s the most important thing. Also if a girl overheard you having a conversation saying “Whoa she was a HB9” then surly they will be kinda creeped out. Whereas saying, “She is really hot” is a lot more ‘normal’. Your choice.

    5. Sarge – The act of going out in field, usually with other PUAs, with the explicit intention of picking up girls.

    When you go out you should be looking to have a good time first and foremost. Going out just to meet women is kinda weird on it’s own. Surely you would be better off going out to have an awesome time and whilst out approaching a few women. I believe that going out just to meet women puts a lot of un-wanted external pressure on you, which can make it even harder to talk to women.

    This word makes me chuckle every time I hear it, so it does have some positive qualities.

    4. 3 Minute rule – Quick Definition: The concept of avoiding sets that could be easily interrupted within the first 3 minutes.

    What’s the problem with this term? Well, it gives guys another reason/excuse not to approach a girl they like. Imagine you are about to approach a group when you get a little doubt in your mind. It would be very easy for you to think back to this term and say, “If I do approach the group, it’s probably going to get interupted in the next 3 minutes or so. Probably best I don’t bother at all”. Not good…

    3. Way Below Average Frustrated Chump (WBAFC) – An AFC that is significantly below average in terms of skills with women.

    As if ‘Average Frustrated Chump’ (AFC) was not enough. If the poor guy was not already in such a bad place because he thinks he is bad with women, then he sure would be after you label him a ‘Way below average frustrated chump’.

    We need to be helping these guys, not finding new terms to make them feel even more inadequate about themselves.

    Some people may just want to use the term to describe others in a negative way. The only reason you would ever need to do this is to make yourself feel better about your own shortcomings. If that’s the case, then you have issues which you need to work out instead of making yourself feel better at other peoples expense.

    2. Dick Crack – Quick Definition: Pickup related gossip and hero worshipping.

    It defines something that is a complete waste of time and therefore it makes the term a complete waste of time. PUA Lingo’s own definition says it all: ‘Stop taking dick crack and let’s talk about something more productive.’

    1. Secret Underground Internet Seduction Community (SUISC) – Quick Definition: Another name for the Seduction Community.

    Firstly that’s a mouthful. Secondly, I hope it isn’t that secret because I actually want people to find this stuff so that I can help them :-). Why do we feel the need to have this ‘secret community’? We are trying to become more and more social so that are interactions with women improve. However being part of a secret community is actually taking us further away from being normal, attractive, funny and sociable. It makes us sound like a bunch of weird internet nerds out to trick women into bed.

    Meeting women is normal and natural, not something that’s secretive and manipulative.

    So there you have it, the seven worst culprits in crimes against understanding women and dating. Jargon has its place, and although I’m not a huge fan of using it, I realise it can be useful when you need to explain a specific situation or technique.

    The thing is, if we all spent as much time just getting out there and talking to women as some guys seem to spend sat in front of a PC dreaming up jargon, we’d all be MPUAs ;-) (but that’s another story…).

    Would love to hear what your pet hates are when it comes to jargon about how to get a girl. Post a comment below and let me know…

    Speak soon,

    David Black

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    18 comments

    Matt Savage March 21, 2010 - 1:14 pm

    Good stuff, though you left out where the term “sarge” originated from, which was the name of Ross Jeffries’ cat… Regardless, it’s pretty weird that the name of some creepy guy’s cat is synonymous with “picking up” women.

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    casual March 21, 2010 - 1:36 pm

    I’m going to have to disagree with a few of these here, although I may be a bit biased ;)

    7) pAImAI – I agree with you that this is a ridiculous term, but I’ll go further and say you shouldn’t rely on something like this at all. It can be nice to get an IOI from a girl, but you shouldn’t depend on it. Trying to get a specific reaction from other people leads to outcome dependence. If you see a girl you like, and logistics are good, just approach her, and you may be able to generate attraction even if she wasn’t initially interested in you.

    6) Hot Babe/Hunny Bunny – Ok, this one is a pretty silly term, but it’s very convenient when writing field reports and asking for help online. “So I approached a four-set, 2HB6’s an HB7 and an HB8” sets the scene very quickly, and gives the reader an idea of the general attractiveness of the girls, subjective though that is. You can also use the HB scale to signal social status, which is less subjective than physical beauty.

    5) Sarge – From a general lifestyle perspective, I agree that this is not the best approach to take, but it can still be useful to go out specifically with the intention of picking up girls, especially if you’re just starting out or if you want to try out some new technique.

    4) 3 Minute Rule – This shouldn’t be taken too literally, but it’s useful to be aware of your surroundings and your logistics. If you’re in the middle of building attraction, you can lose some of the momentum you’ve built up if you’re interrupted. Don’t use it as an excuse not to approach, just wait for whatever interruption is there to pass before approaching.

    3) WBAFC – In animal social hierarchies, scientists have identified three categories of males: alphas, betas, and omegas. Alphas are the pack leaders who get to mate with all the females. Betas are the less desirable males, who have to sneak around to get the chance to mate with a female. And finally, omegas are the males who have no chance of mating whatsoever. In PUA terms, that’s alphas, afcs, and wbafcs.

    I don’t think I’ve ever heard anyone use this term as an insult. Mainly, people use it to describe themselves. I was a virgin before I got into the game, so I was definitely leaning towards WBAFC territory. AFCs are your average guys, maybe they’ve had a few girlfriends, but they don’t really have control over their love lives and are often frustrated when it comes to dealing with women. WBACFs are worse than that.

    2) Dick Crack – Yes, this describes something that’s useless (insofar as getting results), but that doesn’t make this term useless. A lot of guys get caught up in the drama of the community, and spend way too much time on message boards instead going out and improving their lives. Dick crack captures that concept pretty succinctly in two words.

    1) SUISC – This term is just silly, can’t say much more than that ;)

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    David Black March 21, 2010 - 3:53 pm

    Matt – Thanks bro. I know where the term comes from. That’s why I left it out :-)

    Casual – Valid observations dude, and your point about the HB scale being used to indicate social value is a good one. Though I think it’s a bit of an ugly hack (maybe we need more jargon here? HSG – high status girl? hehe) ;-)

    The litmus test I tend to use is: would a ‘normal’ girl think you are creepy/weird if she heard you talking about her & her friends, etc using such terms? Make of that what you will.

    Now I’m off to troll the SUISC and get my daily fix of dick crack…

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    DJ Fuji March 22, 2010 - 3:40 am

    hahahaha oh man, I’ve thought these EXACT same things over the years. Hilarious article. I’ve never actually heard someone SAY “paimai” but i remember reading it on mASF back in the day and thinking, “WTF.”

    The thing I like about (non-ridiculous) jargon is that it allows me to talk about pickup in the presence of non-pickup people and it sounds like I’m talking jibberish. Like I can ask a student in set if Kino is coming and that he should probably lock in before we get going. That’s much better than just saying in front of the girl, “touch her more and take her spot because it’s the power position.”

    “Mixed 3set” is also easier than saying, “group of 3 people i’m going to approach that has a mix of male and females.”

    FWIW, the term “SUISC” is from Future of LoveSystems. He coined it facetiously to make fun of the community’s dorky behaviors. It’s not a legitimate term.

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    casual March 22, 2010 - 5:02 am

    Yeah, I’ve heard Sinn and a couple other guys use the term as well, and it’s almost always used ironically.

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    David Black March 22, 2010 - 10:16 am

    Ahh, to be honest I had never even heard of SUISC before writing this article, so didn’t know the context. Thanks for the heads up.

    Now that you mention it Fuji, I’ve never liked the word ‘set’ either. I should probably have put it in this article thinking about it. Something really creepy about it imo.

    I know it’s more efficient to say, but I’m sticking with the likes of, “group of 3 girls & guys”. I’m willing to trade a few extra syllables to avoid the cringe factor.

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    How to Approach Women March 23, 2010 - 9:12 am

    Some of this jargon is just a bit too much. It even seems a bit pretentious really. David, I think “set” is a little creepy, too.

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    Matt April 13, 2010 - 9:38 pm

    I love this article as a great example of how PUA jargon can get out of hand! I would actually take it a step further and say that almost *all* PUA jargon is “bad.”

    I like PUA jargon only inasmuch as any jargon is useful–it helps us know when we’re talking about a common idea. In this sense, an acronym like “LJBF”–which you can use and explain to even non-community members usually to great effect–is perfectly fine.

    But I’ve always felt that calling a woman a “target” or a group of women a “set” is a bit dehumanizing, which is bad–assuming we’re all trying to hit on humans here. :)

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    casual April 13, 2010 - 9:45 pm

    @Matt: “*all* PUA jargon is ‘bad.'”

    Cool bro, glad you’re enjoying the site :p

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    David Black April 15, 2010 - 1:32 pm

    @Casual: haha, Matt’s on my side now kiddo, I own his mind ;-)

    @Matt: Totally agree with the dehumanising comment. Not treating women like objects is a pretty good rule of thumb to follow. And yeah I agree some terms are useful to describe situations, good example with LJBF. It also kinda labels that ‘issue’ and recognises it, which is one step closer to overcoming or solving it, so that is a plus point, sure.

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    Scott the how to attract women guy August 1, 2010 - 7:52 pm

    First, thanks for sharing. But I don’t think people actually come up with jargon just for the heck of it. most of the jargon are used because people say the terms so much they get lazy and try to make it short like LOL for example.

    But other then that, this is a very interesting post I’ve been in the PUA scene for a longgggg time now and honestly I haven’t heard of pAImAI, WBAFC, and Dick Crack until now. Good to know though, every other term I have heard of.

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    Don't be afraid to approach women August 4, 2010 - 4:16 am

    When all the efforts have failed in your tactics to approach women go back to the basic. Be yourself and be confident. If this fails too, then let go. There will be more chances to come.

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    MonteChristo August 5, 2010 - 9:43 am

    Interesting point about the ‘secret community’. I’d prefer to call it a closed forum or group, which does two things:
    1) To protect the identity of its members
    2) To provide a platform for techniques and ideas sharing

    What individuals choose to do with this information or how they conduct themselves is entirely down to them. Its also about reframing how the terms will be perceived by the outside world which is precisely what you can learn through being part of the community.

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    David Black August 10, 2010 - 1:05 pm

    @Scott – Some jargon comes about naturally and for brevity, yeah. Some however, is flagrantly an exercise in mental masturbation. I mean, ‘pAImAI’ – come ON.

    @Don’t… – Amen brother.

    @MonteChristo – It is an interesting discussion, perhaps one worthy of a whole other article sometime. I agree completely about the sharing of information and ideas. That is the most amazing thing about our community (and the internet at large).

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    Carlos Xuma September 22, 2010 - 9:54 pm

    This is really great. Very informative. Keep up the good work.

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    Dan the Approach Anxiety Guy February 13, 2011 - 9:32 am

    I feel like one of the most pathetic things in the entire seduction community is the ranking of girls on an HB scale. It has to be one of the most desperate things I have ever seen — dudes holed up in their mom’s basements on saturday nights at 1 in the morning arguing over whether Anne Hathaway is an HB8 or an HB9… maybe even worse than that is sarging. That word makes it sound like it’s manly. But there’s nothing manly about a bunch of dudes with faux-hawks, top hats, and goggles going out to nightclubs to break out their opinion openers because they are afraid of telling girls how they really feel.

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    Mike August 19, 2011 - 2:16 pm

    I agree with the last post, get out there and practice. Sitting at home and thinking about it and not practicing will not make you better~!

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    Alain September 27, 2011 - 4:26 am

    I learned a lot, thanks, but there is just one question I must ask: why do you concider these to be “bad” jargon?
    I think that it’s a private talk we use with our guy friends and that it is most of the time for fun.
    Anyway, keep us informed.

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