date: Sat, 16 Aug 2004 22:41 GMT
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subject: 10 Characteristics of Alpha Behaviour …I’ve noticed that alphas will also have tendencies to take any question that you may have posed in attempt to get rapport with them…
When I first came onto the board, breakbeat IM’ed me to ask if I had any insights onto what an alphamale really was, and what characteristics/attributes/qualities they had.
I kept my eyes open for a long time, and compiled a mental list. I’ve been meaning to post this for a while.
I think that this is really important, and I hope that people will read all of this.
This post is about to get messy I think… confusing, etc.
Alright, for me, as I’ve gotten good at PU, I’ve finally started to notice discrepancies between myself and NATURAL players.
It’s funny, because even though I can outgame any natural in terms of results, I often feel like I’m trying too hard.
Like, even though I can outgame them, they can have a nice chill night and just be comfortable and secure, while my mind is racing a million miles a minute.
Of course this is because I LOVE the game, and because I play it for the purpose of stimulating myself intellectually (once you get very experienced, your mind buzzes with info-processing while you’re doing PU, as you rapidly compare past experience and game-theory that you’ve read, to events at hand.. This is why I play the PU game so much, and it is a similar reason to why I enjoy my philosophy cirriculum at school).
Still though, I’ve studied alpha behaviour very carefully now, and I’ve noticed some characteristics, which you guys may or may not agree with.
Here they are off the top of my head:
1) NEVER QUALIFYING THEMSELVES.
“Qualify” meaning that they never brag or even REMOTELY explain things… they don’t say “I’m tired right now”, or “I’m really hung over”, or “My good clothes are at home”, or “I used to be able to lift that weight, but I haven’t been in the gym for a while.”, or “I could do that, but I’m having a bad day.”
Similarly, they don’t talk excessively about all the chicks they’ve laid, or all their girlfriends, or all their success.
WHY? Because they don’t even GIVE A FUCK enough about you to even tell you about it.
They ASSUME that you’ll think that they’re the shit, because they ARE.
TALKING ALOT / TOO MUCH IS VERY OFTEN INTERPRETED AS QUALIFYING YOURSELF.
2) NOT LOOKING AROUND.
Think CLINT EASTWOOD. He hears a big bang or loud noise, and he SLOWLY turns to look at it. He doesn’t let ANYBODY disturb him. He’s in his own reality.
I can remember walking into a class late one day, and not looking at the teacher WHATSOEVER.
The girls started giggling, as I looked totally unconcerned at what anyone thought, and they started hitting on me after class. I mean I can hardly convey this over the net.. The reaction was RIDICULOUS.
3) TALK SLOW.
Think to when you are chatting some authority figure, or somebody who you admire. If you’re like me, you’ll increase your speech DRAMATICALLY.
It’s very obvious, and I’ve seen guys who are alpha start talking abnormally fast when confronted with guys who are MORE alpha.
Talking fast is a way of QUALIFYING yourself to someone, because you are WORRIED that they’ll stop listening to you and that you won’t get out what you have to say.
4) BEING THE ANCHOUR OF THE CONVERSATION.
Notice that when an obviously alpha guy is present, everyone faces their bodylanguage towards him.
If you crack a joke, people wait for the alphamale to laugh as a sort of “approval” of the joke. He laughs, and then everyone follows.
Also, an alphamale can crack a DUMB joke, but notice that everyone laughs. It’s a laugh of SUBMISSION in many ways, as when I’m sarging girls they always giggle non-stop.. (alot of PUAs I’ve met will say “dude, you make girls giggle like nobody else.. this is ridiculous”.. This is only something that I learned as I practised ASF stuff, and it never used to happen.
Notice that chicks LAUGH HYSTERICALLY when you call them “geeks/dorks/powerpuffgirls”.. Or they laugh when you say that if they’re not rich you’ll break up with them.
Guys, this stuff is NOT FUNNY. But they laugh like its the funniest thing they’ve ever heard. Why? IMO, its because its a laugh of submission. These C&F remarks set you as ALPHA, and they giggle to submit.
This is called going “girly-girl”, and the ugly chicks always bash the hotties for giggling at the captain of the football team’s lame jokes.. “see how she laughs at all his dumb jokes.. its so pathetic!” (even though they WISH that THEY were the ones who the cool-guy would be chatting up)..
4b) USURPING THE GLORY.
Alphas seem to take ANYTHING that challenges their alpha status in the room and USURP it for themselves.
This is a variation of being the ANCHOUR of the convo.
Basically, if you’re not the alpha, and you say something cool, the alphamale might do something like “YEAH THAT IS THE SHIT… YOU COULD EVEN DO X,Y,Z….”
Somehow, YOUR cool idea has become THEIR cool idea, and they’ve usurped the credit for your idea.
5) NEVER BEING IMPRESSED.
There’s this one dude, who whenever I hang out at his house (university frathouse type deal, with lots of guys living there), there will always be this little “alpha-subtext” deal going on.
Like, I’ll be showing the dudes there something, and I’ll have ALL the attention.
But will HE come over and act impressed? NOPE.
He’ll just go do his own thing, or just sit there eating his ravioli, unimpressed with me, in his own reality.
The ONLY time he’ll pay attention to what I’m doing is if its a case like 4b, where he’ll usurp it for himself.
Otherwise, he’s NEVER interested.
6) ONLY HAVING RAPPORT WITH BETAS, EXCEPT FOR A FEW EXCEPTIONS.
I’ve noticed that I can’t get along with alphamales as well as I used to be able to.
It’s like a conflict in the room, where the heirarchical status is totally out of order.
Alphas will often hate eachother, except that when they DO make friends, they are BEST FRIENDS.
Or, they can co-exist, but have this sort of weird way of talking.
Like they’ll say things to eachother in ways that don’t qualify themselves, so its sort of like a weird broken conversation. I dunno how to describe this, but I’m sure you’ve all seen it.
Anyway, they get along with everyone, since everyone is on their knob. But as soon as someone who tries to “take over” the alpha status comes along, he’s ridiculed for whatever reason they see fit.
7) ANSWERING QUESTIONS WITH DEGRADING JIBBERISH.
I’ve noticed that alphas will also have tendencies to take any question that you may have posed in attempt to get rapport with them, and answer it with some stupid non-sensical bullshit.
This goes back to why I say “don’t ask girls questions.. just make statements until they try to get rapport with YOU.. ‘what’s your name’, etc etc”
Say that you come across an alphamale, and you want to try to get rapport with him. Maybe you’ll ask him some basic questions or something.
But he’ll answer with stupid shit like “guess”, or “I work at taco bell.. I’m the employee of the month”.. SOUND FAMILIAR? :)
Also, they have a tendency to take what you asked and TWIST it around to ridicule you.
8) ALPHAMALES DON’T GIVE A FUCK ABOUT YOU.
Have you ever been onto a campus where there are cliques everywhere.
Go look at the clique of rich jewish kids. (many of my closest friends are in these, so no stupid racist bullshit comments)
They don’t give a fuck about you. You can be the centre of attention, life of the party, whatever..
It doesn’t matter, they’re in their corner with a few hotties, minding their own business, and they’re NOT gonna come out to see what cool shit is going on with you.
Now you’d THINK that this would make them BETA, but there’s just something ABOUT them that makes it seem cool.
Their disinterest puts them up above you, and if they DO come over, they come over like you’re their “CLOWN” whose purpose is to ENTERTAIN THEM. It’s all about THEM, not YOU. Again, “USURPING THE GLORY”.
9) ALPHAMALES GET MORE CREDIT FOR MINOR ACTS OF KINDNESS THAN BETAS DO.
When I was in NYC with Papa and Mys, we stayed at the house of this guy named “Garvellous” (NYC Lair top guy).
He was a really cool guy, and he’d been laid around 40 times in college before he’d even FOUND ASF.
He’d been in a frat, and he told me about something that the frathouse would intentionally do to new pledges when they’d apply.
According to Garvellous, they were told to appear UNAPPROACHABLE and CLIQUISH initially.
THEN, they were to be REALLY DOWN TO EARTH.
What he explained was that if you APPEAR to be cliquish and unapproachable, that when you turned out to be actually down to earth, people would say “this guy is the NICEST/COOLEST guy..”
As opposed to a librarian or a geek being nice, which NOBODY appreciates because they interpret it as COMPENSATING for short-comings.
Just think: Imagine if you were to bump into Jay-Z or Dr. Dre or Michael Jordan, and they had a big entourage. The celeb in question comes up to you and says “what’s up.. having a good time dude? cool.. yeah this place is pretty busy you know, and it can be kinda intimidating.. but you know, I just try to have a good time.. anyway, have a good night man..”
You’d be like HOLY SHIT THAT GUY IS THE COOLEST/NICEST GUY I’VE EVER MET… You’d tell EVERYBODY about how cool and down to earth the celeb is, and you’d be really appreciative and impressed.
Now take the SAME REMARK from a geek or whatever, and you wouldn’t give it a second thought… Whatever, its just some geek.
In clubs, the “unapproachable” guys are the dudes who wear sunglasses into the club, and have superfly clothes and a corner with hot girls. Notice that if one of THOSE guys approaches your set in a club, you will NEVER snub him. The two-man cockfarm of generically dressed guys on the other hand, its a different story.
10) ULTIMATE COMFORT IN OWN SKIN.
Here is one that I find really funny.
Look at rapport 50-Cent, or any stereotypical rockstar.
Now your average woman will have all of these “ideals” that guys should have, but notice that these go out the window for guys like 50-Cent.
50-Cent raps about how he’s going to kill and shoot people.. Fuck hoes, etc etc..
NOBODY questions this.
He is 50-Cent, he’s from the streets, and THAT-IS-WHO-HE-IS.
NOBODY QUESTIONS IT.
Similarly, a rockstar pumps massive drugs and fucks groupies all day long.
He’s a REBEL.. a BADBOY.. a SEX SYMBOL.. (notice the correlation, and how projecting rebel/badboy can get you laid, even though there is no LOGICAL reason for that being the case)..
Even a spiritual guy who talks about inner-peace and non-violence and all that stuff will usually say “well, he’s a superstar” when they’re asked what they think about these types of guys.. (there are exceptions of course, and the dudes with more zeal will call out anybody).
Another example is like COLLEGE ALPHA MALES who wear dumb shit like TOGAS and marker up their faces with magic marker and shit like that.
Notice that everyone thinks that its COOL, just because the “cool kids” (alphas) are doing it. NOBODY questions it.
1) Good topic for discussion – how to DEAL with these kinds of guys. For any of us who do clubs, these kind of guys can be DIFFICULT TO BEFRIEND, for group thoery purposes (for social proof, and of course for stealing their chicks)
So how do we get good at out-alpha-ing these guys, who barely talk, and who are disinterested in getting to know you?
2) In what ways do WE on ASF EMULATE these behaviours?
Some obvious ones are just making statements and not asking about them until they go for it first.
And following up “what’s your name” with answers like “guess”.
3) How does this CONFLICT with the fact that you NEED TO BE TALKATIVE in order to pickup.
It’s funny, because it could be argued that the true alpha doesn’t TRY to pickup, but just goes out with his group and has girls do the work to approach HIM.
It just strikes me funny that although I’m supposedly thought of as this big alpha guy on campus, that I TRY REALLY HARD compared to all the other alphas. Basically, I’m a MASSIVE try-hard when you really get down to it. I just hide it very well.
So if alphamales don’t talk too much, because that is QUALIFYING YOURSELF, then how do we run a good PU?
One way to get over this hump is to just go and make statements, run routines, etc etc, in a way that conveys that you’re just in the mood to TALK, and it has NOTHING to do with impressing them.
Of course this is what David D, Gunwitch, and others are referring to when they say its 90% bodylanguage/tonality.
This goes back to the ideas of 2) TALK SLOW, 3) NOT LOOKING AROUND. Also 1) NOT QUALIFYING YOURSELF is important here as well, since you JUST TALK and don’t try to get rapport, or say things that could be interpreted as qualifying yourself.
A GREAT way to do this is JERK ROUTINES, which are NEGS because you are saying that you don’t want them, so they interpret that as NOT qualifying yourself, which makes them perceive you as alpha, which attracts them to you.
Also importantly here, 8) ALPHAMALES DON’T GIVE A FUCK ABOUT YOU… That is conveyed by the fact that you DON’T ASK QUESTIONS to the chick. You don’t ask her her name, or where she works, or ANYTHING until she starts asking YOU.
IOW, I don’t go for rapport with HER, until she goes for it with ME, and then I initialy TEASE her that I won’t reciprocate this intention (“guess”, C&F answers, etc), for the first minute, until I DO give it to her.
OK, long post. I hope people will find this helpful.
I’m really cool!