Comments on: A history of the Seduction Community and its lingo

By: Styles

Styles — Wed, 07 Apr 2010 01:09:30 +0000

THe mystery, the art, the beauty which is woman can be solved as simple as that. The world is your pick up labratory, in the end it involves confidence, self motivation, and a can do attitude.

By: PUA Hub

PUA Hub — Mon, 11 Jan 2010 03:57:17 +0000

wow, i didn’t know MM was published in 1998.

I still haven’t had a student get called out for using classic PUA lines

By: Dave

Dave — Thu, 23 Apr 2009 23:05:55 +0000

Good history!

By: alphawolf

alphawolf — Thu, 26 Feb 2009 08:02:42 +0000

Thanks PsyMonk. Greetings to you in Russia from California

By: PsyMonk

PsyMonk — Thu, 26 Feb 2009 04:54:33 +0000

Да уж. Спасибо вам, что заставили задуматься

By: alphawolf

alphawolf — Sun, 01 Feb 2009 10:23:10 +0000

Social hierarchies extend beyond just one type of area, and I agree with certain social circles are difficult or tough to get into if you are not from a certain “class”. I think that people spend lifetimes trying to create wealth and generational status that sometimes they forget to look at the real barriers between classes, which mostly exists within a person’s mind. Casanova wasn’t rich, and neither were a lot of the best seducers in history.

That said, Kanye sang it best: “I ain’t saying she’s a gold digger… but she ain’t messing around with no broke n*****”

By: Dreamz (The Attraction Guy)

Dreamz (The Attraction Guy) — Sun, 25 Jan 2009 13:40:11 +0000

Good point! Sometimes there’s a trigger event, but not always. A lot of the guys I know have simply enrolled in a class out of curiosity awakened through media coverage. Roughly, I’d say 80% of my business last year came in via media coverage, and at least 50% of that business were guys that were already well-off in the social communication department. To that extent I can fully agree that we are dealing with naturals in search of “perfection”

I’m not sure if I completely agree with the statement “guys that already get laid have no motivation.” Sure, for some there is less motivation, because they are already good. Moreover, the guys that are already experiencing social success will enter with a a fair amount of scrutiny. If there is one generalization I feel comfortable with, it is this one: Rich, goodlooking guys, that can get most of the rich, goodlooking girls because of their status in society tend to frown upon the pickup artist lifestyle.

But again, that’s a generalization, and I know it’s not true for everyone.

By: alphawolf

alphawolf — Sat, 24 Jan 2009 01:44:16 +0000

We had a debate about this just yesterday, Dreamz. Some say that guys who get laid don’t really have a motivation to get into the community, while others argue that naturals may want to learn this to become even better. I think there is usually some “trigger” event that takes place that prompts a deeper dive into what seduction is really all about. As for Elena, she was super cool and her brother Passion is a well known Texas PUA.

By: Dreamz (The Attraction Guy)

Dreamz (The Attraction Guy) — Fri, 23 Jan 2009 11:33:07 +0000

This is a great summary of “our” history. However, there is one passage of Elena J. Clift’s thesis that I have to disagree with to great extent:

“Despite differing strategies, members of the community are typically all connected by two constants: a feeling of frustration and powerlessness with their inability to attract the women they desire, and a belief that conventional dating methods are flawed.”

That conclusion is off-point for a vast majority of the seduction community. Most guys I know in the community have entered the community and embraced the values of it due to the first part of the description (frustration, etc.). However, this mindset quickly changes into one of empowerment.

Moreover, as the society has evolved and continuously attracts people that have traditionally been well off with women, the first part of the equation is increasingly flawed. These days. most guys enter the community with a belief that they are already successfull with women. The desired outcome is to be more successfull with successfull women.

The summary is really cool, nice to get the specific years of the “eras” down.